From: [bv 446] at [cleveland.Freenet.Edu] (James S. Ottaviani) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Evan Dorkin, The Usenet Interview -8- Date: 6 Oct 93 17:31:56 GMT The end. Trashed disks and cross country trips have delayed this well beyond your memory of the penultimate installment (it appeared in June, and no, I don't think I'll repost it. Nobody references it here). As usual, I've enjoyed the show. Thanks to all -- especially to Evan. Write him a note and thank him yourself, why doncha? (543 Van Duzer Street, Staten Island, NY 10304) *** Sorry to get back to you so late with this... Sarah and I did a week in Texas and then the San Diego con to finish up our tour, and the after affects are still lingering. I'm pretty wiped out, and just finished Dick Wad #1 (late as hell), all ordered Milk and Cheese sketches, and my backlog of mail. Vroom Socko and Pirate Corp$!/Hectic Planet #6 are real late. The first installment of the Predator series in DHC came out, we're fairly happy with it. I've got to finish the last script, issue four, of the mini-series, in a few days. It's late, but not as far as damaging the schedule. I'm bored with it, I already know how it ends! In other updates, it looks like Dark Horse is interested in an original mini-series of mine I pitched them. I've been working on it off and on for several years now, and I'd be scripting, not drawing the project. More when I know more. I'm currently contracted to provide ten comic strips for a book parodying Generation X/13th Gen from Simon and Schuster. The full page strips would be chapter headings, concerning such sucker bait as comic books, films, lollapalooza, hemp culture, raving, blah blah blah. As usual, I'm late with this assignment as well, but not too badly. I'm still negotiating with Disney Adventures to do a three part adventure strip for them called Kid Blastoff. Instant Piano has been signed to Dark Horse, as soon as I sign my contract, everyone's aboard for a late 94 go or so. This'll be me, Kyle Baker, Stephen DeStefano, Mark Badger and Robbie Busch doing at least four issues of whatever the hell we want to do. Also in '94, Slave Labor and I will continue Dork with the second issue around April or so, and the fifth Milk and Cheese will issue forth around then as well. Hope you check 'em out, folks. Mad Planet #3 should be out soon, hopefully I'll get a strip in there. I'm also doing the CD cover for a mid-western ska compilation called American Ska-Thic. I have to finish that up soon, it's probably late like everything else. Finally, a NYC gallery called Exit Art has a huge showing of "alternative" comic art, and four of my pages are featured near the bathrooms. A subtle critique? Hmmm... Before I answer this last batch of queries, let me just say thanks to those interested enough to write in to this interview. I appreciate your time, and support. Thanks also to Jim for asking me to participate, I promise I'll be more of a draw for you some other time. [Such modesty! You're always welcome. -- jimO] Maybe when I do my Image book...(that's a joke, kids). Jeff Hansen ([j--f--y] at [Athena.MIT.EDU]) -- You've been cranking out Way Much Stuff for the last two or three years, pushing yourself to the limit - but you keep on signing up for new jobs, instead of taking the long vacation you richly deserve. My question is this: can I have your Fisher-Price stuff when you explode? Evan Dorkin -- HEY! Stop stinking up the computer net, Jeff. It's bad enough no one wrote in to me, I don't need "ha-ha" funny fake guest questionnaires, so lay off. And I'm sorry I couldn't contribute to the last X-Magazine (a swell publication you all should support), I really do have to cut my workload. You can only have my Fisher-Price stuff if Sarah dies with me, if she gets caught in the blast, I guess. We found the F-P garage in great shape. It makes the "ding" noise and everything. Ah, the good life... Tonio Roque ([Tonio Roque] at [um.cc.umich.edu]) -- Hello Msieu. Dorkin, got a couple questions for you. What inspired the Renensco Blue character? He seems to have a bit of Flavor Flav and maybe a touch of Evil Otto from that "Berzerk!" arcade game of yore. Evan -- No idea, really. I just drew him while sketching several years ago and I immediately liked hm. Originally he looked more alien, more lizard like, but he's toned down over the years as the entire Pirate Corp$! book has. (I forgot about that Berzerk game and "Evil Otto" -- I remember the sequel game called "Frenzy" I think, also with indestructible Ottos. Ah, the good life...) Tonio -- You talk about music and toys and comix and junk food and stuff, but so far you've only mentioned a couple prose fiction writers in your stories (Salinger and Garcia-Marquez and Ginsberg, that I remember). What kind of prose fiction do you feel inspires your writing? Evan -- Not much fiction inspires me these days, as I'm reading less and less due to time constraints, and what I do read is almost entirely magazines, 'zines and non-fiction. Most of the non-fiction consists of true crime, biography and pop culture history. The fiction I last read was mainly "hard boiled" junk by Jim Thompson, Willeford, etc, and stuff by Bukowski, Burroughs, Kerouac -- y'know, the "alternative" stuff that's so alternative everyone knows about it but pretends they're the only ones on earth who do. "Hipster crap". Mainly I read serial killer material, as that's where a lot of my commercial work is leaning towards. More "hipster crap" nobody needs. Tonio -- What do you think comics are going to be like in the near future: are there going to be more non-superhero/adolescent comics; will they be more widely accepted as such; and how do you see your own comics developing in the future? Evan -- Comics will always be junky adolescent male crap, end of story. I mean, that's what movies are, it's just that people take "real" (filmed) violence and gratuitous tit shots seriously, whereas in a comic it looks puerile and pathetic. Which is true, but Hollywood equals big money and glamour and casting couch sessions, whereas comics success invites long lines of pimply geeks with comics for autographing. Comics, like all entertainment, will always be lowest common denominator garbage, with the added "bonus" of being mainly concerned with the obscure and trivial antics of superheroes, monsters and aliens. I see alternative comics artists gaining success mainly by getting more interesting and higher paying "sidework" -- ads, animation, books, magazine illustration. It's been a particular trend since the "alternative" comics market started, the guys who have the lowest selling books get the most prestigious "outside" recognition -- because those guys have the real talent, and have things to say about the world that other people can relate to. The comics market doesn't give two shits about the small press "alternative" market, they just want to make as much money RIGHT NOW at the expense of the true growth of the market in the future. It's a snake eating its own tail. My own comics? I don't really know, I haven't had my head together lately. I just want to make them better. Tonio -- P.S.: --- LONELY PLANET/PIRATE CORP$ #6 -- Sept '93 The return of my favorite project, with a name change to reflect the changing direction of the series... --- Ahhh, maaan, don't change the name... Look, the thing I really love about ska is that it has a sense of humor. This is doubleplus important with the more recent hardcore ska, because every once in a while listening to the constant anger of "straight" hardcore I just want say: 'Lighten up, you're just some middle-class white kid whose parents didn't pay you enough attention.' Ska's got the same power and force, but it's also got the happy skankin' jumping around horn-choruses with the funky clothes to balance it all out. See what I'm getting at? Pirate Corp$! is blues and angst, but still enjoys life. "I guess maybe no-one's really happy after all" /// "JUMP MOTHERFUCKER!! YEEEEAAAHH I love this band!!!" Classic. "Lonely Planet" suggests a pure uncut angstfest whereas "Pirate Corp$!" is lots of fun to type, has that ol' cultish sentimental value, and sounds like what a ska band would be called if a ska band were a comic book. Maybe put the PC$ part first, like: "Pirate Corp$: Lonely Planet" or something, to set it apart from the Vroom Socko stuff. Just a bit of input from a humble reader; am anxiously awaiting the new issue, & am much heartened to hear PC$ is your favorite project. Hasta. Evan -- I'm changing the name for several reasons -- (and it's being changed to Hectic Planet, not Lonely Planet) 1) I don't think the old name works for the way the book has been proceeding for several issues now, 2) I believe there are readers who might be biased against the comic because of the "adventure" sounding name, 3) I'm sick of people saying "Corpse" instead of "Corps". Honestly, it makes me fucking sick to hear it time after time. Corpse, corpse, corpse. When it's canceled it can be called Pirate Corpse. Nation of geniuses. Lazlo Nibble ([l--z--o] at [triton.unm.edu]) -- Okay Evan, here's some questions: What are you doing in this fucked-up little speculation-driven trash-culture industry? What made you decide to take a shot at making a living with comics instead of 'zines or film or video or music? What keeps you interested in it? Evan -- The reason I'm in comics is that I loved them as a kid, and I wanted to be a comic book artist. Thankfully, or unfortunately, as ignorance is bliss, I learned that there's a life outside of superheroes. This led to a schism in my work which I'm still suffering through. I went to film school at NYU, and although I got my degree, I found I disliked film people even more than comics people (but not as much as music biz people). So I pursued comics rather than film, and now people pay me to do the commercial work, and I enjoy my small press work, I consider myself pretty lucky to be in the position I'm in. Conversely, the industry IS so stupid and frustrating, that I'm desperate to do more writing and drawing for comics related projects outside the comic book market, such as work I've done for Penthouse, Esquire, Simon and Schuster and various band jobs and zine contributions. I guess the main reason I'm in comics is because there's not much else I can do. I don't know how I stay interested in it, I'm pretty much on autopilot right now, but when a new cartoonist like Adrian Tomine pops up, you feel good about comics again. It's good to know there are others out there who like comics despite every reason not to. Lazlo -- What do you think the market is going to look like by the time this fall rolls around, and how is that affecting your work? Evan -- It's about Fall now, [my once and future life has delayed posting this for about a week -- jimO] and I'm out of the loop, all I know is that no one still cares about independent, really independent, comics. Just lip service from the distributors and press, and indifference and downright contempt from retailers and fans. I really don't know about all the egos and petty kooks who've jumped onto the publishing bandwagon in the last few years, I have no idea how they're doing. It does seem, from all the big babies arguing in the pages of the CBG, that there's a lot of fatheads spending more time on their pathetically small cult of personality than to actually write and draw good mainstream comics. Ridiculous. Lazlo -- Has Slave Labor made any noise about collecting your stuff into tradebacks? Evan -- We discussed trade paperbacks but for now our financial situation precludes us from doing the job right. Orders would be pretty low anyway, and many retailers have already told us that for the time being, they'd prefer to move the inexpensive comic editions. Fine by me, that's why we keep them in print. I want copies in the hands of everyone who wants one, and two in the hands of the fools who don't. Lazlo -- And how about that Bob Camp, huh? What a guy! Evan -- What about Bob Camp? Did I miss something here, or was this an opening for me to complain about how wretchedly unfunny Ren and Stimpy is? I dunno... Lance \"Squiddie\" Smith" ([l s mith] at [cs.umn.edu]) -- What would you have liked to do with Bill and Ted if the people who owned the rights to the characters (Nelson?) hadn't been such utter greedheads? Evan -- I would have liked to have had them killed. No, no, I dunno what the hell I had planned for them. When I knew the book was canceled, around issue #10, I just shut off after I figured out the last two issues. I turned #12 into a capper issue, rounding off the run and giving it a decent sense of full closure for the loyal readers. Otherwise, I would have done more with the supporting cast, especially Phil, to balance off the white bread world of Bill and Ted. I didn't really "do" anything with Bill and Ted, they were really cyphers who always stayed the same. I did more with the princesses, and I'd say the character with the most room to work with was Death. He was the most fun to write, him and DeNomolos. (And Nelson weren't "greedheads", as far as the fact that I knew when I signed to do the comic I had no rights to my work other than my paycheck. So, I didn't give them any of my top drawer material. That's how it works, and that's why mainstream comics stagnate -- many creators don't want to give up their best material that they think is exploitable, they want to control it. You can't do that at Marvel or on licensed books. That's why I won't sell Milk and Cheese.) Lance -- How long before Milk and Cheese become the latest pop culture icons in Japan, beloved by millions of Japanese children who know them as "the impolite dairy couple"? Evan -- I'll skip your question...because it's silly. Squiddie -- Hypothetical situation: In a strange and bloody power struggle, you somehow gain control of Marvel comics when all of the editors are sacked for the Marvel UK fiasco. Under your serene reign, how does Mad Dog die in the next issue of his comic? Evan -- Mad Dog. Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks a lot. Uhhh, hypothetically, I'd just cancel all remaining issues, burn every issue I could get returned to Marvel, and then kill Bob Newhart. Then I'd make sure you took the fall for it, 'ol Lance. Mad Dog. That fucking things gonna haunt me forever. Guess I deserve it... Lance -- Question: Why Merv Griffin? Evan -- Answer: Why not? Squiddie -- Since it was on your wish list, describe the Milk and Cheese pinball machine? Who do you get to do the digitized voices that insult the player after a particularly bad shot? Evan -- Sarah and I briefly bullshitted about a dream M&C pinball: the video deck would show scenes of mayhem, the guys would yell out the bonuses the player executes (yelling out Merv Griffin, or Gin Makes a Man Mean, or Rampage or Vomit! stuff from key strips). The board art would be the usual, typical violence and drunkenness. The ball would dump into shot glasses that then dump multiballs after locking, the flippers would be baseball bats or broken bottles. The sound effects would include screaming, glass breaking, screeching tires and car wrecks, poured drinks, etc. The machine would definitely be insulting, much worse than the classic Funhouse machine's Rudy, the Mechanical Boy. First player drinks... Lance -- What's your reaction to the nomination of M&C an Eisner award? Evan -- I lost. Again. At least I was nominated, it's a free ad for your work. The truly sad thing is, all the humor books nominated have a combined print run (save Groo, which is Marvel) lower than dirt. Awards are weird, anyway, you know? Even puny ones that mean very little (i.e. comics awards) can make you feel weird. You know they're just stupid popularity contests designed to pat the industry on the back, but you kind of want to win anyway. Just because the award doesn't mean much of anything doesn't mean I want to LOSE. Anyway, I lost. Again. At least I was nominated. Well, that's it! Thanks, troops...Evan *** what he just said jimO --