Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.guns From: [m j p] at [austin.ibm.com] (Michael J. Phelps) Subject: Re: References of use of guns for self defense (e.g. FBI report) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 18:59:49 GMT In article <>, [j w r 6] at [cornell.edu] (Papa Budge) writes: |> According to the Children’s Defense Fund *State of America’s Children* |> report released this week: the number of American children younger than |> 10 in 1991 who died as a result of firearms was twice the number of U.S. |> troops killed in the Persian Gulf and Somalia combined; nearly 50,000 |> children between 1979 and 1991 were killed by guns From Table 3.135, Murders and Non-Negligent Manslaughters known to police [Bureau of Justice Statistics Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics, 1992] For children under 10 years old during 1991: personal weapons [1] 341 other 151 firearms 103 Asphyxiation 47 blunt object 42 cut/stab 39 arson 39 strangulation 15 narcotics 6 poison 2 [1] personal weapons are hands, fists, feet etc In other words, children are 3.3x more likely to be beaten to death with bare hands than killed with a firearm. As for the 50,000 figure, thats 4,166 children per year; if we assume that 1991 was a fairly typical year, that leaves 3,063 deaths unaccounted for. Suicides? I doubt it - that would be about 20% of all firearms suicides in the US. Accidental deaths? Nope - even if we expand the definition of child to be 0-14, in 1987, there were about 250 firearms related accidental deaths [National Safety Council], and a significant percentage of these deaths were in the 10-14 age bracket, or above the age range specified (0-10). The 50,000 number is probably obtained by redefining child to include up to age 24 or thereabouts, which includes about half of the group with the highest homicide rates [15-34] .. i've seen HCI do this, and believe that CDF has done this in the past as well. -- Michael Phelps, (external) [m j p] at [vnet.ibm.com] (internal) mjp at kingston (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. "A goverment big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away" -- Barry Goldwater