From: TheyC <[aa khan] at [students.uiuc.edu]> Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe Subject: Mark Gruenwald & Me Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:29:57 -0500 First I'm going to say a few things about me, then I'm going to say a few things about Mark Gruenwald. See, I don't think there's another person like me on this planet. Why? Because NOBODY else was literally raised by the media. LITERALLY. If you talk to me, you suddenly realize that I phrase everything the way it would be in a movie, or on a show, or on a a rap album. If you listen to my dreams, they sound like the plots for movies. And if you look back at my life story, it reads like one. My mother was a doctor. My father was an engineer. Both were from India. Both worked most of the time. When I was really young, babysitters were what I had primarily, and while I was with them, I watched television. Soon, I made it clear to my parents that I didn't need a babysitter, and so I and my sister were home alone with our television. That was our babysitter. I also moved around a lot as my parents skipped from job to job. And in each new town, I had to make new friends. Now how do you make friends in a place you've never been in your life? You locate a common ground. And what was my common ground? The media. Although they were American, and I was Indian, and although they had grown up there, and I was knew, we all watched the same shows, saw the same films, read the same books, and thus, used the same "cultural capital," as my Sociology professor used to call it. To this day, I tape shows on Tv I love, no matter WHEN they come on, schedule life events around television shows I want to see, and memorize them all without trying. I am the ultimate media geek. The media is me. So what does this have to do with Mark Gruenwald? Well, when you're like this, everything you see/read can have dramatic effects on who you are as a person - recently, upon ealizing all I've just told you, for example, I've disovered that my taste in women actually goes back to Daisy Duke - my ideal of beauty is, essentially, her. As I tell everybody who'll listen, the essay I have published in DEAR AUTHOR: BOOKS CHANGE LIVES, which won me my trip to Washington DC, is nothing more than an explanation on how profoundly THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MALCOLM X quite literally chaanged me as a person. Just last night, the movie CLUELESS made clear to me what it is about the way I was raised I want to emulate in my own children, and why. What's just entertainment to anybody else can have massive and far-reaching effects on who I am, how I think, and where I end up, and it's for this reason that I can honestly say, I AM Mark Gruenwald. He has made me who I am, comics-wise. Literally. Mark Gruenwald represents, to me, the absolute perfect comics creator, and this is why I still don't believe he's dead. In fact, if he is, if anything, I feel like Maya Angelou did at the close of a television special from a few years ago called "Malcolm X: The Real Story," in which she didn't grieve at Malcolm's death, but was angry. Angry at him for having left her when she needed him, for not completing what he was meant to for her. That's how I feel. Pissed off that Gruenwald isn't around, and won't be when/if I ever get into comics. That I'll never get to see what he loox like in real life, or know what his voice sounds like. Never get to explain to him how profound I thought "Squadron Supreme" is. Never get to see his reaon as I use just about every idea he ever had in some story of mine. I'll never get to experience that, and it angers me. But it doesn't change who I am, or who he made me. A long time ago, a friend of mine showed me an issue of JLA (the old one), with a letter in the lettercolumn from Mark Gruenwald, explaining the technical specifications of the League's base. I remember thinking how cool it was that a crazy kid fan like that would get into the industry he so clearly loved. When I got my first letter published, I remember thinking it was a sign that I could someday be like Mark. The more I get published, the more I think that. And after a while, that was my goal, to BE Mark Gruenwald: writer turned editor. But more than that, continuity cop. My sister still thinks I'm crazy as I made her go through Michael Fleischer's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF COMIC BOOK HEROES, taking notes on EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER with the intention of somehow finding a way to use them ALL in my fan fiction. Most people think I'm nuts when I mention some one issue wonder from an obscure issue of Superman and how well I think he'd work in the current DCU. And my aforementioned friend couldn't believe how I used every single character in an issue of "Who's Who" in our countless RPG's, all of them in ways that were serious and acceptable within continuity. Indeed, I liked Mark WAID because I thought he might be cut from the same cloth. I'm as obsessive about continuity than Gruenwald. Nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing an old character or situation or place used in some capacity after years. I love the number of in-jokes comics can create. I love the idea of a shared universe as real as real can be. And essentially, that's what continuity is, folx - an attempt to make comics real. Like in real life, if somebody is important today, they'll be important tomorrow or die trying. And I think it's fitting that "media boy" here's favorite kind of entertainment is that which blurs the line between reality and fantasy as much as comics. That's the reason why I'm not big on fantasy/sci-fi but am HUGE on superheroes: they live in the real world, except better. I don't think anybody can grasp, and or appreciate this in the whole world. Except Mark Gruenwald. See, I think what Mark understood that I related to, big-time, was that continuity was part of a larger goal, of combining those two realms: the fantasy and the reality. And "Squadron Supreme" was his testament to that. I always describe SS to others as, "what if the JLA were REAL?" UNLIKE the ni perfect heroes of the real JLA, the SS were petty. Jealous. They had sex drives. They didn't always do the right thing. And they made lots of mistakes. And yet, with absolute power, the stage was set for the ultimate tragedy. I love Shakespeare, too, and SS came pretty damn close. Everything I always thought, Mark did. Why didn't Superman try to get with Wonder Woman? Shoot, I would have! Do Green Arrow and Hawkman really hate each other, and if so, what would they do about it? If there was really a way to rid the world of crime, would the League take it, regardless of the cost? Would it work? Everything I wondered Gruenwald did, and this has nothing to do with continuity, because, you'll remember, SS was outside of Marvel continuity (for the most part). It has everything to do, however, with making the unreal real. And a lot of times, this meant breaking the rules. I'm sick and tired of hearing how Mark Gruenwald was some great bastion of why and how comics should be fun by the "homogenize everything into the universe of Captain Marvel" faction, becuz he didn't. Gruenwald tried to make his stories as real as possible, as unpleasant as that may get. I was always a vocal critic of Mark's drug stories, because they weren't very realistic. Why? Because Mark Gruenwald was not a drug user or familiar with that culture, as I was. I now realize how much I missed the point. The fact that Gruenwald ATTEMPTED so difficult a subject in the first place was the point: he didn't want the Marvel universe to be the Happyland the anti-Image forces are looking for. He wanted it to be real, but better. I remember an issue of Cap where there was all kinds of hanky-panky going on with the Serpent Society. And why the Hell not? All the girls were foine! All the guys had muscle for your ass! This is what would happen in REAL life. And Gruenwald knew it. The positivity percieved in Mark's stories existed because he wrote (and liked) positive characters. Cap, being a prime example. But while I've always been against patriotism, I always loved Mark's Cap, because he was what I wish real Americans were like. He wasn't a flag waver. He wasn't a radical right winger. He simply WAS what every American claims to be. If everybody in America was like Mark's Cap, I'd be a patriot too. That's characterization, not some naive "comics should be for kids!" mentality. And that's what Mark was also great at, again, the greatest weapon in the war to merge reality with comics: his characters were really true to life, not necessarily in their actions, but the consistency of their actions. And the fact that their actions could be traced easily to other actions or comics. Mark most definitely had a definite idea in mind as to who each character was, and wrote based on that, not some abstract, third person idea. When I started seriously collecting in '87, his Cap had just resigned, so I started collecting it right there. And continued to do so for years and years. Indeed, the reason I quit is so silly, I'll only relate it if somebody asx. I collected Quasar too, but not because of Gruenwald (that I knew of) - because I picked up an issue as part of a crossover, read it, and it was good. And this is another thing Mark Gruenwald taught me: if the writer is any good, read an issue, and you should love it. He did that with consistency. That first Captain America (#327, I think) was like that for me. In fact, if Peter David's reading, you hooked me with an issue of Hulk (#337?) that was just the first of a two part X-Factor guest appearance. It was THAT good. But getting back to Mark, he never needed a foil cover or a major hype campaign to impress me. A striking cover. A quick read. And I'm in there. Guess what my first issue of Squadron Supreme was? #7. Got it in a three in one bag. Was so struck by it, went back and bought the whole series. If you read all of my fan fiction, you will think Mark Gruenwald wrote it. I use characters so obscure, I'm tempted to say Mark wouldnt recognize them (but I won't). A running gag around my house is "Klor! Of Belvos!" This was an alien from World's Finest Comics #153, I think, who I just gave a whole personality (and a voice, Cobra Commander's) based on an offhand comment made to my sister. I've sworn to use him in a DC comic if I ever write one. :) Like Mark, I find mistakes in DC Continuity and spend issues fixing them, getting a great story in the process. And where Mark couldn't, I use my real knowledge of drugs and drug culture to write stories dealing with that. I always said I'd let him read some someday, to see what he'd think. So basically, that's it. Everything I believe about comics, everything I tell others, everything a comic should be, comes to me from Mark Gruenwald. Like me, Mark didn't seem to believe that there were bad ideas, only bad executions, which is probably why he stayed with Marvel for as long as it did. But more importantly, I think, Mark understood that which I constantly preach at others (Cloffo): it's not the business. It's not the company. It's not the new companies. It's not the distributers. It's not the economy. It's the comics. Fix the comics, and the business will fix itself. Keep trying to make the universe into the real world (and vice versa), and the rest takes care of itself. Too bad he only had forty years to do it. For me to say rest in peace to Gruenwald would seem like too much of an understatement. So I'll refrain from that here and pick it up again when I do my nightly prayer. Peace.