Article 246 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: teetot.acusd.edu!network.ucsd.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!uchinews!ellis!lf7z From: [lf 7 z] at [ellis.uchicago.edu] (Glenn again) Subject: Re: Sandman #45: The Good, The Mad and the Spoilers Message-ID: <[1992 Dec 7 100441 13050] at [midway.uchicago.edu]> Sender: [n--s] at [uchinews.uchicago.edu] (News System) Reply-To: [lf 7 z] at [midway.uchicago.edu] Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations References: <[l s mith 722996487] at [mega]> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 10:04:41 GMT Lines: 95 In article <[l s mith 722996487] at [mega]> [l s mith] at [mega.cs.umn.edu] (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >Some background on Ishtar. OK, I was hoping to avoid this, but I am an Assyriologist, so here goes. First off, the temple prostitute bit comes from Herodatus (book 1, I think around line 180), not the Babylonian sources. Though he's known as the "father of history", his history is more historical fiction, and not too picky about sources or details, and he loved conflicting gossip. He's mostly a good spinner of tales, a bit like our beloved Neil. Most scholars agree that he fibbed about going to Babylon, there are just too many geographical and historical inaccuracies. For the record, he did visit the Egyptian Delta, and that portion is fairly reliable, except when the priests were putting him on, which was apparently a good bit of the time (he must have been a good object for this :^). But when he heads south (particularly Nubia, the topic of my dissertation :( ), well, he tells a good tale. My Mesopotamian archaeology prof. who has the concession at Nippur, the religious capital of Mesopotamia, froths at the mouth when Bible types bring up the dreaded "temple prostitute" parallel in Babylonia :^) He's convinced it's a fundamentalist plot to keep this alive in the literature. Before we could read Akkadian and had dug up their temples and tombs (i.e. prior to the late 19th century) Herodatus was an important historical source for the Ancient Near East, but he sounds pretty silly today. To be fair, there are a few OT passages from the divided kingdom period that certainly seem to be talking about temple prostitution, and it was common in Greek Asia Minor (Herodatus was from Halicarnassus :^). There was a symbolic union of the Babylonian king and the high priestess during the New Year's festival called the 'heiros gamos' (holy marriage), and this is the rite that Lance was referring to. His information about the Dimuzi myth and the general character of Inanna is also good stuff. Except that it should be obvious how dangerous it is to equate Adonis and Tammuz/Dimuzi, there are some similarities of theme, and perhaps even Mesopotamian influence, but they are not the same story. However there's no Babylonian evidence of temple prostitution, the Byblos reference must be from classical times. The coin story was certainly an invention of Herodatus, however it's good tale, eh? The name of the deity is Inanna in Sumerian and Ishtar in Akkadian (Assyria and Babylonia). Because of the Amorite interaction, the Canaanite deity Astarte became identified with Ishtar as a West Semitic equivalent, they may in origin be the same, as their roles in the pantheon are functionally equivalent --- except Astarte has a warlike aspect that Ishtar does not --- and the names share the same triliteral root. That would be the Phoenicians, Ugarites, Byblites, Amorites, Canaanites, and all the other -ites down in Israel. Bel-ili is a very common Babylonian name that means 'the lord is my god', and is also a common epithet of all semitic deities after the Aramaeans came into Mesopotamia late in the 2nd mill. BC and Marduk was supplanted by Bel. Belat means 'goddess' or 'Lady', the feminine of Bel, and Beltis is a Greek mispelling of the latter. Pharamond will have to be explained by someone else, he has nothing to do with the ANE, as far as I know :^) It looks european, doesn't it? >Temples to Ishtar at Uruk, Akkad, Nineveh, Arbela and Sippar may also These temples did not exist at the same time; Uruk, Akkad, and Sippar date from Sumerian times, Ninevah and Arbela from Assyrian times. Her temple at Uruk is also her oldest and it predates the advent of writing. In Babylonia, the Tammuz ritual was celebrated only at the capital. In Sumerian times this was the religious center at Nippur, then at Akkad during the Akkadian period, then variously at Ashur, Ninevah or Babylon under the Assyrians and Babylonians. But the ritual was a blood and grain sacrifice in Mesopotamia, I don't know what was involved in the Greek Adonis ritual. >The dance she does I'm not really sure about. One rite associated with >Ishtar was the choice of a husband or king for the goddess. His reign >would last a year. At the end he would be sacrificed and a new husband >picked. The man chosen was allowed sex with Ishtar/Astarte, or her earthly >form which was that of the temple's high priestess. The sex and the sacrifice >were to insure good crops and productive livestock. This is all tied in >with Ishtar's descent into the underworld to rescue her husband/brother >and the changing of the seasons. This sounds like a reference to the 'heiros gamos' ritual I mentioned above, except that no one got killed or laid :^), and it was the king involved. There was a purely practical reason the king didn't sleep with the high priestess, in the earliest days they were generally siblings, and it was those disgusting Egyptians that practiced incest :^) The only human sacrifice we know about ocurred briefly at Ur, where the kings were buried with a retinue, and we think this was due to Egyptian influence, who also did this early on. And on that cheery note, good night and Pax ex machina, Glenn ...................................................................... "Real as anyplace you've been. Get a life! From the dreamer's dream." --- Peter Gabriel [g carnagey] at [uchicago.edu], if you must know